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Post by Super Dragon on Apr 6, 2005 7:38:42 GMT -5
Do you forget to consider that Van Dam and Sabu carried the Eliminators, more particularly John Kronus. I don't think the Hardy Boyz were all that but they were better than the Eliminators. Neither team could carry worth a shit, in my opinion, but the Hardy Boyz could have more spectacular matches with lesser opponents. ive seen the eliminators from way back in 95-96 and they were incredible then. then Kronus started getting fat(ter) i think that Kronus is a better high flyer than Jeff Hardy . also i dont see how Sabu and RVD carried the Eliminators as RVD really isnt that great of a worker. i just think that Saturn and Kronus are better than the Hardys, Jeff is way over-rated Matt on the other hand is great but not at high flying and Jeff just.......is terrible he has like 3 moves and half the time he botches them. |
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Post by dynamitekid on Apr 6, 2005 13:15:49 GMT -5
ive seen the eliminators from way back in 95-96 and they were incredible then. then Kronus started getting fat(ter) i think that Kronus is a better high flyer than Jeff Hardy . also i dont see how Sabu and RVD carried the Eliminators as RVD really isnt that great of a worker. i just think that Saturn and Kronus are better than the Hardys, Jeff is way over-rated Matt on the other hand is great but not at high flying and Jeff just.......is terrible he has like 3 moves and half the time he botches them. I missed a lot of ECW. I have never been much of a ECW Historian. I have not seen, but one match, of the Eliminators from 1995-1996. I do agree with you with the rest of your premise though. Van Dam is not a great worker, per se, but he has something inside him that very few workers have; so a case can be made that he is great. I personally think he is above average. Jeff Hardy does suck. He had everything handed to him on a silver platter and couldn't/wouldn't do crap with it. I like Matt Hardy. I think he has way more potential than what the WWE even comes close to booking him with. I didn't see that match between the Eliminator's/RVD and Sabu  . I just said that to see what you'd say, to feel you out because it would be reasonable to assume that they, RVD and Sabu, would carry the Eliminator's. |
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Post by Super Dragon on Apr 7, 2005 8:43:05 GMT -5
I missed a lot of ECW. I have never been much of a ECW Historian. I have not seen, but one match, of the Eliminators from 1995-1996. I do agree with you with the rest of your premise though. Van Dam is not a great worker, per se, but he has something inside him that very few workers have; so a case can be made that he is great. I personally think he is above average. Jeff Hardy does suck. He had everything handed to him on a silver platter and couldn't/wouldn't do crap with it. I like Matt Hardy. I think he has way more potential than what the WWE even comes close to booking him with. I didn't see that match between the Eliminator's/RVD and Sabu . I just said that to see what you'd say, to feel you out because it would be reasonable to assume that they, RVD and Sabu, would carry the Eliminator's. The Eliminators had a huge feud for about 6 months with RVD and Sabu and they wrestled a thousand times and tore the house down each time. Ive been a fan of ECW since late 95 early 96 and the Eliminators are truly amazing if you watch ECWs first PPV (barley Legal) the Eliminators vs the Dudleyz isnt a good match but it really is a showcase of what the eliminators can do. if you compare each member of the 2 teams we are discussing it boils down really to one high flyer and one technical wrestler: Kronus weighed 265 LBS. but could pull off a 450 splash that would make paul london look like an asshole,he was doing planchas and moonsaults out of the ring before alot of the spotfests guys now-a-days he was really good. Jeff Hardy: Extremely sloppy ,not a very good in ring worker he really just relied on his 4 or 5 moves that he does while matt carried the team in the ring and through promos thats really all jeff had to bring to the table 5 moves(reverse twist of fate,swanton,running on the guardrail outside and clothslining his opponent,spingboard splash,and his neck breaker) Perry Saturn:in ECW this guy was ON!!! he was unbeleiveable equal in high flying to sabu,great martial arts backround incredibly good mat work, and wasnt afraid to mix it up in hardcore matches, i think he had some great potential until his knee injury. Matt Hardy:better of the 2 hardys awesome charisma,mat work and ring skills he was good not much of a high flyer but had some high risk in his moveset good but not enough to carry jeff pass the eliminators. oh and the eliminators easily hands down has/had the best tag team finishing move in wrestling and there is no way anyone can argue that |
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Post by dynamitekid on Apr 7, 2005 11:12:48 GMT -5
Good analysis. I will have to check them out.
How can you say that Matt Hardy has awesome charisma? I always thought he was kind of lacking in charisma. More accurately, he can wrestle and talk better than how he can use his charisma. Charisma is still one of those things that I don't understand unless it is super easy to spot with Austin, Rock, Undertaker, ect.
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Post by Super Dragon on Apr 7, 2005 17:38:29 GMT -5
Good analysis. I will have to check them out. How can you say that Matt Hardy has awesome charisma? I always thought he was kind of lacking in charisma. More accurately, he can wrestle and talk better than how he can use his charisma. Charisma is still one of those things that I don't understand unless it is super easy to spot with Austin, Rock, Undertaker, ect. i think hardy has alot of charisma his whole mattitude thing was awesome and all his MFers back when they were together(the hardys) they were terrible on the mic but now Matt is great also i know RF video has a tape of "the best of sabu and rvd vs the eliminators but thats only if you want to give money to a kid toucher |
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Post by dynamitekid on Apr 7, 2005 17:54:24 GMT -5
I don't care really. Feinstein can do what he wants. That is between him, his victims and the police. How did he get off of that anyway? This guy must be loaded.
I think Matt Hardy has charisma but I wouldn't call it awesome from what I have seen. I do think this guy can draw attention well and such.
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. I just said that to see what you'd say, to feel you out because it would be reasonable to assume that they, RVD and Sabu, would carry the Eliminator's.