TNA

[X~Moose-uck it~X]

I have FULLY moved over to the TNA wagon, I was on both WWE and TNA but I have made my choice..TNA is the Future, and WWE is the past and needs to be BURRIED. I only watch the orton edge DX thing and ECW but I will never watch the rest of it. Beniot needs to go to TNA too so I can finally watch good wrestling and creative idea's.

[Bobby Abreu]

TNA is horrible. Horrible. I will always stick with WWE over TNA anyday of the week. That recent Kurt Angle interview made me sick to my stomach.

[X~Moose-uck it~X]

how can you say there horrible? they have awesome wrestlers.

low ki
kurt angle
all of X division
sting
Double J
samoa joe
the small dude from LAX
Christian Cage
Rhyno
The Canadian Destroyer
I am leavin many out.

and they use them in the most creative and smartest way.

now lets get WWE's not counting ECW


Edge
Randy Orton
HHH
HBK (isnt as good as is old days)
Chavo
Rey
Taker
Beniot

i'm leaving many out here..

but think of how they use there wrestlers..

Bobby lashley is gonna be champion soon.....GIMME A BREAK...

Cena is there champ...wow...I'd rather gag myself to death then see that EVERY year..WE ARE ALMOST TO OUR SECOND WRESTLEMANIA WITH HIM AS CHAMP!

Gregory Helms is barley on TV

Ken Kennedy is the smartest move EVER

I'm just getting sick of stupid shit WWE keeps doing.

but I do have to say I am not off the WWE wagon anymore..

But I will NEVER say TNA is horrible, they are #1 to me right now. WWE is second in my running.

[Bobby Abreu]

Umm dude. TNA's world champion is Sting. I'm tired of seeing those old farts being their world champion . TNA's booking is DREADFUL. Horrible. May I remind you that TNA LOST viewers in that reverse Battle Royal AND the Kurt Angle/Samoa Joe segement, the same feud were TNA fans say will be better then any WWE feud.

You talk about how well their talent roster is. Go to TNA's website and click their talent roster. They have 52 people on their roster. Guess how many former WWE/WCW/ECW talent they have? Let's count:

1. BG James (Roaddogg in WWF. One of the biggest factions in wrestling, D-Generation X)
2. Brother D-Von (Former WWE, WCW, and ECW Tag Team Champion)
3. Brother Ray (Former WWE, WCW, and ECW Tag Team Champion)
4. Brother Runt (WWE Hardcore champion I believe)
5. Christian Cage (Multiple title holder in WWE, inculding being one half of the hottest tag team in the late 90's with Edge)
6. Christy Heme (Former WWE Diva Search winner and playboy playmate while in WWE)
7. Fallen Angle (Former WCW talent)
8. Gail Kim (Former WWE Women's champion)
9. Jackie Gayda (Former 2002 WWE Tough Enough champion)
10. James Mitchel (Known as Sinister Minister in ECW. Manager of Mikey Whipwreck)
11. Jeff Jarret (Former WWE Intercontinental champion, WCW World Heavyweight Champion)
12. Jim Cornette (Former WWE commentator and manager)
13. Kevin Nash (Former WCW World Champion and WWE champion in the 90's)
14. Kip James (Former WWE Tag Team Champion and was apart of the biggest faction in wrestling, D-X)
15. Konnana (Former WCW and ECW talent.)
16. Kurt Angle (Former WWE World champion and was one of the biggest stars made by WWE)
17. Norman Smiley (Former WCW talent)
18. Primetime (Former WCW Crusierweight champion)
19. Raven (Former ECW World Champion, WCW Talent, and WWF talent.)
20. Rhino (Former ECW World Champion and WWE Talent)
21. Ron Killings (Former WWE talent)
22. Scott Stiner (Former WCW World Heavyweight Champion, ECW talent, and WWE talent)
23. Shane Douglas (Former ECW World Champion and ECW talent)
24. Simon Diamond (Former ECW talent)
25. Sting (Former WCW World Heavweight champion)

So out of 52, 25 are former WWE/WCW/ECW talent. That's a shit load if you ask me.

And why is it that TNA is constantly taking shots at WWE? Remember Rhino and the whole burning of the ECW thing? TNA has even taken it further buy selling t-shirts similar to WWE one's.

[X~Moose-uck it~X]

dude, WWE has well over that many people from different companies...you made no point but that people work for different companies..

WWE are making story lines like... DX sliming people.. ECW is having and elimination chamber..gimme a break.

JOHN CENA is your champ after a year, he is still the champ....id rather watch shark boy win the title. dont talk to me like WWE is doing so much better then TNA cause you're way wrong

and also.. Vince raided everyones roster to build his own. and it still isnt that great.

[X~Moose-uck it~X]

AND P FUCKIN S: Sting is an amazing wrestler...he is around the age of taker and he still wrestles as if he was twenty five.

You are a complete dip shit if you say sting isnt good enough to wear the belt.

[Bobby Abreu]

Let us look at some key facts here, Moose.

-On the current WWE roster, the only wrestlers who wrestled for TNA before jumping ship to WWE is currently signed Monty Brown, Sabu, Jimmy Yang, and Paul London. So only four of those guys on the current active roster have wrestled for TNA before wrestling for WWE.

-TNA has picked up almost every released WWE superstar to contracts. Even with big names such as Rhino, Christian, and Kurt Angle, TNA has lower ratings then RAW, Smackdown, and ECW. Think about that for a second. Former ECW World Champion Rhino, fomrer WWE STAR Christian, and former 6 time WWE Champion Kurt Angle STILL does not draw viewers in.

-The TNA primetime 2 hour special drew a 1.0 rating. This inculded Kurt Angle's debut inside a TNA ring, a barbed wire steel cage match involving Christain, and a few days after the James Gang cut a promo outside of WWE Headquaters. So if TNA is so much better then WWE, why does WWECW draw more then TNA?

-TNA has it's sure of gimmick matches, Moose. While DX is sliming people as you say, TNA is losing viewers with that "Reverse Battle Royal" crap it had.

-Like I said in a previous post, TNA has 25 former WWE/WCW/ECW stars on it's roster out of 52.

-TNA doesn't do stupid shit, right Mosse? Well last night during the not so amazing two hour premier show, I got a nice view of Kevin Nash behind. So DX is dumb because they slime people but Nash mooning people is funny.

-Sting is old. He is not in anyway an amazing wrestler anymore. I find it funny how you say WWE has John Cena as their champion. I would rather have a young wrestler as my champion who may actually improve rather than some old guy who can't call it quits.

[X~Moose-uck it~X]

im hella done with this. you're buggin the shit out of me.

WWE has more ratings because of ONE thing, they have been around longer..brought in a bigger crowed. MAINLY kids. but wrestling is wrestling jr. and if you keep saying this shit like "sting is old" then you're a moron. who are you? king of wrestling? I like how you wrote out your facts "A for grammer" happy? TNA wretlers have so much talent and you are talking so much shit about them. the only thing I said about WWE was that they dont use there wrestlers wisely. THIER CREATIVE TEAM IS FUCKIN RETARDED, People say Raw is the better brand...yea right..Smackdown is amazing FINALLY good story lines. and also people talk shit about good wrestling like they can do it better. THIER MARKS

and dude..Cena is horrible and cant improve because he doesnt even try. I wrestle better then him and I've only been training for a year. He sucks. I hate having wrestlers that dont deserve to be champion as champion.


ps: sorry dude, I get heated with this shit, I have a temper.

[Bobby Abreu]

Your logic is well... illogical. I do not think you understand what I am getting at.

TNA is not good. It is booked horribley. Look at the Ultimate X title. How many times has that belt been changed in the last month? Open your eyes and see that there booking is horrible. For example, TNA has been hyping up that NOBODY had beaten Samoe Joe clean. He is a virtual monster. Suddenly, Kurt Angle comes and TNA books him to beat Joe cleanly? Or how about Sting? Losing his NWA World Title in his first defense. What was the point of winning the belt, only to lose it the first defense? Does not make sense.

WWE has great talent on their roster as well. Look at last nigt, a very good ladder match between Johnny Nitro and Jeff Hardy. Does WWE use their great talent like they should? No. Take Shelton Benjamin. The WWE is trying to make him heel but the crowd does not care for him. The crowd can make a wrestler a superstar over night. Not the case with Shelton, but the case with WWE Champion John Cena. They love him and want to see more of him.

Again, TNA does not make sense with a few things. AJ Styles, there biggest baby face, turns heel? Why does TNA force the biggest babyfaces on the roster go heel?

More to come latter

[X~Moose-uck it~X]

dude I dont get you, a couple months ago you were on my side saying "f**k wwe" now your talkin shit.

now let me make you look retarded lol...


Taz's FIRST match...defeated the UNDEFEATED kurt angle.....yep your right...wwe never does that...

jeff and nitro are entertainer's...not wrestlers.

I will say TNA has trouble doing one fued at a time and there a little unorganized. BUT WWE has been having the worst shows in wrestling history these past few weeks. the only good thing they have done is Smackdown.

they turned The Rock heel before as well...dude, thats wrestling. AJ has held the title multiple times he doesnt need another run right now. TNA has alot of talent, and you are seriously killing me by saying they dont...you just stated good wrestlers as "nitro, jeff hardy and cena" and you hate on Angle THE best wrestler in this industry because of a comfier move for him. he gets paid well, gets to see his family, and do the thing he loves best.

ALSO do you not recall Edge losing his title in his first title defense?... AND they made soooooooo much hype with HHH as the KING OF KINGS to only make him LOSE by tap out...wtf? WWE does stupid shit too.

later is with one "t"

and im done for now.

[Bobby Abreu]

Umm Angle beat Joe cleanly I believe. If I remember the storyline, Taz won "illegally" because chokeholds are not allowed. He therefore said that he was still undefeated because no one pinned him or he has never submitted to a legal hold. Not the case wtih TNA because Angle beat Joe cleanly.

So Jeff Hardy and Nitro are not wrestlers? So guys like AJ Styles or Christopher Daniels. TNA is sports entertainment just like the WWE. No matter how much they brainwashed you, they are sports entertainment just like WWE.

The fact that you say WWE has been giving the worst shows in wrestling history these past weeks is the most stupid thing you have said in this entire thread. I will not even argue with it. TNA is putting on garbage shows as well.

So The Rock was a better heel then a face? Look at his success when he was face. AJ Styles, while not on The Rock's level, was the biggest face in the company. People will not boo him. Look at Hulk Hogan around Wrestle mania 18. He was a heel but people cheered him.

I do not think I said TNA has a horrible roster. I merely stated they have a shit load of WWE talent on their, recently Tyson Tomko. And I will never say John Cena is a great wrestler. Re-read my post. I said the crowd made him the superstar he is today. The crowd can make or break a superstar.

I agree with Edge point. But Edge later recaptured the title. Edge has a few more years left in him. The Stinger is done.

If you think TNA is about good wrestling and storylines, then you are sadly mistaken. There matches are good at most but there storylines make absolutely no sense what so forever.

Might wanna check the news. VKM accepted the challenge of the Hardy Boys. If that is not childish, then I don't know what the hell is.

[Bobby Abreu]

TNA Stars BG James & Kip James are currently outside the WWE Raw House Show in Knoxville, Tennessee. Vince Russo and a camera crew are with the 'Voodoo Kin Mafia' as they are asking fans to "shoot" on WWE. Expect some video coming up on TNA television.


THAT is the stupidest thing ever...

[X~Moose-uck it~X]

yank said:

TNA Stars BG James & Kip James are currently outside the WWE Raw House Show in Knoxville, Tennessee. Vince Russo and a camera crew are with the 'Voodoo Kin Mafia' as they are asking fans to "shoot" on WWE. Expect some video coming up on TNA television.


THAT is the stupidest thing ever...

OH wait, you're right...WWE never pulled anything like that. (DX showing up at a WCW nitro show asking the fans to talk shit about WCW and then trying to enter the building) damn...I feel stupid...

[X~Moose-uck it~X]

dude, WWE is almost all WCW/ECW guys. THATS THE WRESTLING BUSINESS.

they steal wrestlers and raid talent.

but saying TNA is nothing just pisses me off..TNA is like the old ECW, die hard fans, good talent, jaw dropping shows.

I think the VKM thing is funny..just like I thought DX was funny back then but DX is like barney and friends now and that just kills me..and Cena as champ? dude you know thats gay.

well im done, we're not gonna be able to settle this. I'll stick with what I know and you do the same.

[Bobby Abreu]

I love how people are comparing this to the MONDAY NIGHT WARS incident with DX invading WCW. Moose don''t be f**k**g stupid. You know this is two separate things. First off, DX invading WCW was during the hottest peroid of wrestling. Everyone was watching WCW or WWE. Second, DX was one of the hottest wrestling factions ever during that time. Not the case with the New Age Outlaws (refuse to call them VKM). The NAO is two washed up jobbers that are upset that Triple H and Shawn Michaels are still in the main event. Thrid off, TNA gets the same ratings as WWE A.M RAW. So not enough people watch TNA to realize they are delcaring war on WWE.

Stop being so f**k**g stupid and think....